Avoid the Negative Effects From Dairy by Choosing Plant Foods for Calcium

Mike, following is a short article that is based on science. Please read it.

https://www.pcrm.org/news/blog/white-lies-five-milk-myths-debunked

Claiming "unknown" factors sounds to me like someone trying to justify their addiction to dairy products.

Here is an audio report on the diseases which can be contracted from raw cow's milk.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/podcast/virgil-hulse-md/

I'd suggest paying attention to Dr. Carney's recommendations for eating a whole foods plant-based diet. You may have noticed that she has lovely teeth. :-)

hi. the author of the book was a proponent of a vegan diet, but if i remember correctly, it was a child of hers that started having problems w/their teeth. she put them back on organic grass fed milk & their problems disappeared. i would have to hunt down the book to see what exactly the situation was. it could b the fact that there r exceptions where some people do better on other types of diets.
i actually believe in vegetarianism, since my health & endurance vastly improved when i became vegetarian when i was in school. those were the healthiest 7 yrs of my life. i hardly ever eat meat, to b honest.
yes dr carney does have nice looking teeth, but u never know if they r real, lol. actually i'm sure they are.
thanks for the info. i will check those sites & articles out.
btw, i lllllllove cheese & will miss it very much if i omit it from my diet. no more pizza

i have a question regarding vegan diets. have u had to use vitamin b12 supplements in order to keep ur b12 levels up? i remember reading that the bacteria in the mouth, if it is healthy bacteria, produces b12. please let me know. thanks.

Mike,
You might like to read this Guest Blogger Contribution from Deborah on Dr. Carney's site about the subject of B-12: https://www.drcarney.com/blog/health-issues/vitamin-b12-it-s-not-just-for-meat-eaters-anymore

thanks sean. it was informative, but it didn't go into the part about our bodies being able to produce b12, but i did get some info on that in the comments section. back in the 70s, we read that bacteria on the teeth may produce b12, but it is killed off w/mouthwashes, etc. maybe it's a good idea to go w/out brushing ur teeth at least for 1 meal. i have read about a tribe somewhere in latin america that is vegan & they r very healthy w/strong bones & teeth. they obviously don't take b12 supplements. maybe it is the bacteria in the teeth & in the colon that produce it enough to keep their levels up.

Mike, the following link addresses the notion of relying on what is produced in the body. Spoiler alert: probably a bad idea. :-) https://veganhealth.org/intestinal-bacteria-as-b12-source/#iran

Modern life, which is cleaner and therefore less risk of contracting cholera & typhoid, may also increase our need to take B12 supplements. They are recommended for everyone eating a plant-based diet, everyone over the age of 50 even if they do eat animal products & even many meat-eaters since it can be difficult for our bodies to extract B12 from foods.

thank u deborah. i wonder if the difference btwn the indians living in india & the ones in britain has to do w/chlorinated vs non-chlorinated water, among other things.

Possibly. Does it matter? Are you suggesting that we stop chlorinating water, which would significantly increase rates of e-coli poisoning, cholera & typhoid, rather than just taking clean, pleasant & reliable B12 supplements?

yes, it matters. if u r out in the wilderness or in a foreign country where they don't chlorinate their water, it would. for many years we lived in a town here in america where they did not chlorinate the water. never got sick, never had any boil orders cuz of bacterial, etc contamination. then 1 day, the water tasted horrible. they started to chlorinate our water, probably to comply w/federal regs. then i remember 1 time we had a boil order in spite of chlorination. chlorination has no doubt saved lives, but it's a trade off. it causes cancer, etc. so to me it matters, since it would b nice not to have to rely on supplements, if the body could produce it. it's kind of like not having to depend on meat, in order to get ur protein.

Taking a regular B12 supplement has zero in common with relying on meat for protein.

deborah, it was just an analogy.
i'm getting the impression that either u work for the supplement industry, &/or u have absolutely no social skills. chill out. life is short.

Thank you Sean.

hi sean. i know my remark was a little snarky, but it was after having read her unnecessarily aggressive remarks. i'm sorry. but i hope u also asked her to b more civil in her tone, especially when i question things or have a different opinion. thank u.

thank u very much ken. this explains y ancient vegans weren't deficient. i know that dr axe recommends a little dirt on veggies, washing but not scrubbing carrots for example. considering regulations that apply to even organic produce, growing ur own organic garden is probably the best way.
as we age, our digestion isn't as good as when were young, so i can see y taking a supplement would b wise, something i do once in a while. thanks again.

Ken, as usual, makes a valuable post. Just to add to the discussion. Organically fed cow's milk will still create a rise in IGF-1 levels in your bloodstream. Once you are grown, you don't want these high levels that are associated with cancer promotion. Just learn about T. Colin Campbell's reasearch on dairy protein and perhaps you will give up dairy as I did when I learned that casein can promote cancer growth. Then there is the issue of excess estrogen in the milk since the cow is pregnant when giving milk. There are so many non-dairy milks now to replace cancer promoting dairy milk that it is so easy to make this transition which is better for our health.

Happy Holiday Month to all my plant-based peers on Dr. Carney's site.

thanks for the info denise.

thanks ken for ur input. i was the only vegetarian (lacto ovo) in my family, growing up. my family would come down w/the flu but i would never contract it. my immunity was much better than theirs. of course as u say, there r many variables, & 1 of those could have been that i hardly ate any sweets, while everyone else did. but i still believe in vegetarianism. maybe the vegans that i have read about having issues, ate lots of sweets. maybe they figured that they could "reward" themselves much more since they were vegan.

thanks for the info. of course calcium is far from being the only thing needed for strong bones.

thanks for the info!